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		<title>By: Antony Pyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antony Pyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that theres lots of false NRG1 on the internet for sale. Does anybody know anything about the damage they pose?</description>
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		<title>By: Destry @Wion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Destry @Wion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very insightful article for the likes of me, Ian. Thanks so much. I was so busy penning my own little scratcher over the past 5 days I didn&#039;t notice you had published this, getting to some of the questions I was poking and even probing deeper from within the CS circle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very insightful article for the likes of me, Ian. Thanks so much. I was so busy penning my own little scratcher over the past 5 days I didn&#8217;t notice you had published this, getting to some of the questions I was poking and even probing deeper from within the CS circle.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabby Hon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gabby Hon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am an Information Architect/User Experience designer and I have to tell you, not all is well in the land of IA. And we are certainly not walking hand-in-hand down the beach with designers. Spend some time looking over the archives of the IxDA and IAI lists and you&#039;ll see what kind of external and even, sadly, moreso internal struggles we go through (and put ourselves through).

But I wanted to address your client&#039;s comment about &#039;management&#039; not understanding Content Strategy as a separate line item. It was the perfect opportunity to open a dialogue about that and ask her to explain what she meant. It&#039;s more than possible that *she* didn&#039;t understand the phrase and, as such, would not have been able to explain it to her managers. Ask her how to help evangelize and prove the value of Content Strategy to her team. 

A lot of IA work pre-project has long been spent figuring out why clients are resistant to it or think it can be glossed over. This requires any number of positively exhausting conversations, gaining an inch and then losing three. But it is worth it. You won&#039;t win every time, but you will make progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am an Information Architect/User Experience designer and I have to tell you, not all is well in the land of IA. And we are certainly not walking hand-in-hand down the beach with designers. Spend some time looking over the archives of the IxDA and IAI lists and you&#8217;ll see what kind of external and even, sadly, moreso internal struggles we go through (and put ourselves through).</p>
<p>But I wanted to address your client&#8217;s comment about &#8216;management&#8217; not understanding Content Strategy as a separate line item. It was the perfect opportunity to open a dialogue about that and ask her to explain what she meant. It&#8217;s more than possible that *she* didn&#8217;t understand the phrase and, as such, would not have been able to explain it to her managers. Ask her how to help evangelize and prove the value of Content Strategy to her team. </p>
<p>A lot of IA work pre-project has long been spent figuring out why clients are resistant to it or think it can be glossed over. This requires any number of positively exhausting conversations, gaining an inch and then losing three. But it is worth it. You won&#8217;t win every time, but you will make progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon Krause</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon Krause</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 18:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m an on-staff content strategist for my organization. While this may sound like we&#039;re ahead of the game, it&#039;s still a challenge. 

The IAs happily include me, in their project scope and timeline, but we spend a lot of time &quot;selling&quot; the point of the content strategy. We come up against &quot;not necessary, we know what to say&quot; attitude and the &quot;once the page/area/site is done, it&#039;s done&quot; attitude. 

The IAs and my supervisor give me a great deal of support to insert strategies and recommendations. We promote the common sense behind it, and we cite user experience. We&#039;ve created a three-point relationship between IA, UX, and content strategy. All of them evolve and flex based on the others.

It&#039;s slow going, but we&#039;re starting to see buy in - from top to bottom. It will be a while before we get to Kristina&#039;s vision of Content Strategy leading the way, but that&#039;s my goal. I&#039;m keeping my line item AND working on it&#039;s PR to be an essential task!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m an on-staff content strategist for my organization. While this may sound like we&#8217;re ahead of the game, it&#8217;s still a challenge. </p>
<p>The IAs happily include me, in their project scope and timeline, but we spend a lot of time &#8220;selling&#8221; the point of the content strategy. We come up against &#8220;not necessary, we know what to say&#8221; attitude and the &#8220;once the page/area/site is done, it&#8217;s done&#8221; attitude. </p>
<p>The IAs and my supervisor give me a great deal of support to insert strategies and recommendations. We promote the common sense behind it, and we cite user experience. We&#8217;ve created a three-point relationship between IA, UX, and content strategy. All of them evolve and flex based on the others.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s slow going, but we&#8217;re starting to see buy in &#8211; from top to bottom. It will be a while before we get to Kristina&#8217;s vision of Content Strategy leading the way, but that&#8217;s my goal. I&#8217;m keeping my line item AND working on it&#8217;s PR to be an essential task!</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,

Not sure. But what happened within the IA community after those meetings is what interests me.

Ian</description>
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<p>Not sure. But what happened within the IA community after those meetings is what interests me.</p>
<p>Ian</p>
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		<title>By: John West</title>
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		<dc:creator>John West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious - what happened the first few times an agency presented a client with a line item titled &quot;Information Architecture&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious &#8211; what happened the first few times an agency presented a client with a line item titled &#8220;Information Architecture&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: seamus walsh</title>
		<link>http://eatmedia.net/blog/2009/04/taking-content-strategy-out-of-the-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-1181</link>
		<dc:creator>seamus walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In every company content like people is an asset, we have executive leadership in sales, marketing, HR, Finance, Procurement, yet none in content?

The thought leaders of content strategy should start justifying a leadership position for Chief Content Officer, this person does not report to the CIO. People come and go, but content as an asset remains.

Just my two cents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In every company content like people is an asset, we have executive leadership in sales, marketing, HR, Finance, Procurement, yet none in content?</p>
<p>The thought leaders of content strategy should start justifying a leadership position for Chief Content Officer, this person does not report to the CIO. People come and go, but content as an asset remains.</p>
<p>Just my two cents.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit some of the most relevant feedback I ever received about content (especially copy) was from designers. And it was the really blunt kind that usually only poetry professors hand out like, &quot;I would never read that, it&#039;s stupid,&quot; or &quot;it looks like the alphabet threw-up.&quot; 

But to your point:

&quot;Until the work is recognized as a deep dive into the why, by who, for whom, when, where, how, how much, and what next, it will still be struck from proposals as “unnecessary, because we already know what we want to say.”

I say, yes there is work to be done, a practice to be assimilated and much to be broken down, reconstructed and embraced.* 

*Kind of like when Sarah Connor has to wrap her head around Skynet sending a robot back in time to get rid of her husband John. But then it turns out her son is actually her husband but its all good because Sarah Connor learns to embrace what is now weird for what in the future will be shiny and cool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to admit some of the most relevant feedback I ever received about content (especially copy) was from designers. And it was the really blunt kind that usually only poetry professors hand out like, &#8220;I would never read that, it&#8217;s stupid,&#8221; or &#8220;it looks like the alphabet threw-up.&#8221; </p>
<p>But to your point:</p>
<p>&#8220;Until the work is recognized as a deep dive into the why, by who, for whom, when, where, how, how much, and what next, it will still be struck from proposals as “unnecessary, because we already know what we want to say.”</p>
<p>I say, yes there is work to be done, a practice to be assimilated and much to be broken down, reconstructed and embraced.* </p>
<p>*Kind of like when Sarah Connor has to wrap her head around Skynet sending a robot back in time to get rid of her husband John. But then it turns out her son is actually her husband but its all good because Sarah Connor learns to embrace what is now weird for what in the future will be shiny and cool.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristina Halvorson</title>
		<link>http://eatmedia.net/blog/2009/04/taking-content-strategy-out-of-the-proposal/comment-page-1/#comment-1063</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristina Halvorson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post! 

We&#039;re noodling all of these questions at Brain Traffic - particularly helping to identify how CS-focused agencies can effectively partner with other agencies without ending up doubling up on deliverables. 

I think one thing that would help enormously is if content strategists can start working to woo information architects as our &quot;life partners&quot; - instead of continuing to watch IA and visual design walk hand in hand down the beach. Those two practices are, in my opinion, inappropriately coupled in most project workflows. 

Content strategy plans for - in fact, DESIGNS - information, from the inside out. Information architecture creates meaningful context and structure for that information. (Interaction design is something different, yo, and requires partnership with a usability-savvy copywriter.)

One other note: A big challenge right now is to help folks understand that &quot;content strategy&quot; isn&#039;t just answering, &quot;What kind of content will you publish?&quot; This is how I see it being regularly used by SEO, advertising, and content marketing folks. Until the work is recognized as a deep dive into the why, by who, for whom, when, where, how, how much, and what next, it will still be struck from proposals as &quot;unnecessary, because we already know what we want to say.&quot;

Finally, with regard for standard rates for content strategy, I&#039;d like to propose ONE MILLLLLLLLLLLION DOLLARS.

p.s. write a book</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post! </p>
<p>We&#8217;re noodling all of these questions at Brain Traffic &#8211; particularly helping to identify how CS-focused agencies can effectively partner with other agencies without ending up doubling up on deliverables. </p>
<p>I think one thing that would help enormously is if content strategists can start working to woo information architects as our &#8220;life partners&#8221; &#8211; instead of continuing to watch IA and visual design walk hand in hand down the beach. Those two practices are, in my opinion, inappropriately coupled in most project workflows. </p>
<p>Content strategy plans for &#8211; in fact, DESIGNS &#8211; information, from the inside out. Information architecture creates meaningful context and structure for that information. (Interaction design is something different, yo, and requires partnership with a usability-savvy copywriter.)</p>
<p>One other note: A big challenge right now is to help folks understand that &#8220;content strategy&#8221; isn&#8217;t just answering, &#8220;What kind of content will you publish?&#8221; This is how I see it being regularly used by SEO, advertising, and content marketing folks. Until the work is recognized as a deep dive into the why, by who, for whom, when, where, how, how much, and what next, it will still be struck from proposals as &#8220;unnecessary, because we already know what we want to say.&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally, with regard for standard rates for content strategy, I&#8217;d like to propose ONE MILLLLLLLLLLLION DOLLARS.</p>
<p>p.s. write a book</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey MacIntyre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey MacIntyre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and a sweet gauntlet to be dropping at this particular moment. 

I&#039;ve said this elsewhere before, but I think the client and organizational literacy around content strategy--itself as a field; a set of deliverables; and something of a methodology--has been one of the most telling things I&#039;ve noticed in the last three projects on which I&#039;ve worked. In two of the three (and I&#039;m not far into the third) there were specific requests around deliverables that I was not aware were all that well known, nevermind appreciated or requested. This may be partly a NY thing for the moment. But you can hit the bricks here and find more than one agency that has found themself for wont of a CS because a prospective client had it line-itemed in their RFP. 

Appropriately enough, my next project is to write one such document, and you can believe I won&#039;t leave the client exposed on that front.

Best,
Jeff</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and a sweet gauntlet to be dropping at this particular moment. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve said this elsewhere before, but I think the client and organizational literacy around content strategy&#8211;itself as a field; a set of deliverables; and something of a methodology&#8211;has been one of the most telling things I&#8217;ve noticed in the last three projects on which I&#8217;ve worked. In two of the three (and I&#8217;m not far into the third) there were specific requests around deliverables that I was not aware were all that well known, nevermind appreciated or requested. This may be partly a NY thing for the moment. But you can hit the bricks here and find more than one agency that has found themself for wont of a CS because a prospective client had it line-itemed in their RFP. </p>
<p>Appropriately enough, my next project is to write one such document, and you can believe I won&#8217;t leave the client exposed on that front.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Jeff</p>
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